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	<title>Comments on: The art of war and junior girls basketball</title>
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		<title>By: Sonny Bunch</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2009/05/07/the-art-of-war-and-junior-girls-basketball/comment-page-1/#comment-2033</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny Bunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 18:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely agree re: thinking outside the box -- it&#039;s one of the reasons I like the A-10 offense that was picking up in popularity in high school football. But yeah, using the full court press to try and prove a general point about underdogs doing well -- and then pointing to Pitino&#039;s Kentucky team(!) as well as a little league girl&#039;s team -- strikes me as almost incredibly foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely agree re: thinking outside the box &#8212; it&#8217;s one of the reasons I like the A-10 offense that was picking up in popularity in high school football. But yeah, using the full court press to try and prove a general point about underdogs doing well &#8212; and then pointing to Pitino&#8217;s Kentucky team(!) as well as a little league girl&#8217;s team &#8212; strikes me as almost incredibly foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: Conventional Folly &#187; Mea culpa &#8212; More on Gladwell and girls basketball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conventional Folly &#187; Mea culpa &#8212; More on Gladwell and girls basketball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 18:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There has been quite a backlash against the story by Malcolm Gladwell that I praised on Thursday. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There has been quite a backlash against the story by Malcolm Gladwell that I praised on Thursday. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Adesnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Adesnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read both JVL and Sailer&#039;s comments with interest.  I&#039;m the furthest thing from an expert about basketball, so I have no response to their points.

I notice, however, that neither JVL nor Sailer disputes the accuracy of Gladwell&#039;s take on the junior girls team coached by Mr. Ranadive (the emphasis of my post).  Perhaps it&#039;s impossible to challenge that story, because only Gladwell has reported it.

Alternately, perhaps the full-court press really is an unorthodox strategy that can turn beginners into champions in junior girls basketball, regardless of whether it works in the NCAA or NBA.

If so, I think it illustrates an even broader point than the one you make: that a well-planned surprise is an underdog&#039;s best chance for upset.  Rather, approaching the (unspoken) rules of any game from a fresh perspective   may allow an underdog to exploit the assumptions made by veteran players.  That is Gladwell&#039;s point.

Gladwell&#039;s discussion of naval war games -- brushed aside by Steve Sailer -- makes the same point.  A computer that was totally ignorant of war game conventions beat a whole host of experts.

One of the most overused phrased in the consultant&#039;s dictionary is &quot;thinking outside the box&quot;.  But Gladwell&#039;s stories effectively illustrate what this really means.    The danger of thinking outside the box is you push your conclusions too far and become trapped in a different box -- which Gladwell apparently did, by deriving universal basketball strategies from what works for 12-year-old girls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read both JVL and Sailer&#8217;s comments with interest.  I&#8217;m the furthest thing from an expert about basketball, so I have no response to their points.</p>
<p>I notice, however, that neither JVL nor Sailer disputes the accuracy of Gladwell&#8217;s take on the junior girls team coached by Mr. Ranadive (the emphasis of my post).  Perhaps it&#8217;s impossible to challenge that story, because only Gladwell has reported it.</p>
<p>Alternately, perhaps the full-court press really is an unorthodox strategy that can turn beginners into champions in junior girls basketball, regardless of whether it works in the NCAA or NBA.</p>
<p>If so, I think it illustrates an even broader point than the one you make: that a well-planned surprise is an underdog&#8217;s best chance for upset.  Rather, approaching the (unspoken) rules of any game from a fresh perspective   may allow an underdog to exploit the assumptions made by veteran players.  That is Gladwell&#8217;s point.</p>
<p>Gladwell&#8217;s discussion of naval war games &#8212; brushed aside by Steve Sailer &#8212; makes the same point.  A computer that was totally ignorant of war game conventions beat a whole host of experts.</p>
<p>One of the most overused phrased in the consultant&#8217;s dictionary is &#8220;thinking outside the box&#8221;.  But Gladwell&#8217;s stories effectively illustrate what this really means.    The danger of thinking outside the box is you push your conclusions too far and become trapped in a different box &#8212; which Gladwell apparently did, by deriving universal basketball strategies from what works for 12-year-old girls.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonny Bunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonny Bunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I was going to do a post on just how silly that article was. Instead, I&#039;ll just point to JVL&#039;s rebuttal.

http://galleyslaves.blogspot.com/2009/05/sailer-puts-press-on-gladwell.html

The Sailer piece he links to is also instructive. 

I don&#039;t disagree with the general thrust of Gladwell&#039;s point (that a well-planned surprise is a massive underdog&#039;s best chance of winning), but using the full court press in basketball is a terrible way to get that point across. It says more about the lack of quality in little girl&#039;s basketball leagues than the brilliance of the strategy that it worked for that one team...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I was going to do a post on just how silly that article was. Instead, I&#8217;ll just point to JVL&#8217;s rebuttal.</p>
<p><a href="http://galleyslaves.blogspot.com/2009/05/sailer-puts-press-on-gladwell.html" rel="nofollow">http://galleyslaves.blogspot.com/2009/05/sailer-puts-press-on-gladwell.html</a></p>
<p>The Sailer piece he links to is also instructive. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with the general thrust of Gladwell&#8217;s point (that a well-planned surprise is a massive underdog&#8217;s best chance of winning), but using the full court press in basketball is a terrible way to get that point across. It says more about the lack of quality in little girl&#8217;s basketball leagues than the brilliance of the strategy that it worked for that one team&#8230;</p>
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