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		<title>By: Mark Kleinberg</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2009/02/bailout-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-38168</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Kleinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Logically, if the establishment of the Federal Reserve System, fractional reserve banking, and government interventionist policies begun under 
FDR are the root causes of boom and bust cycles then shouldn&#039;t the palliative measures like FDIC,SEC etc. actually lead us to a situation where we will have a Great(er) Depression than the first ?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logically, if the establishment of the Federal Reserve System, fractional reserve banking, and government interventionist policies begun under 
FDR are the root causes of boom and bust cycles then shouldn&#8217;t the palliative measures like FDIC,SEC etc. actually lead us to a situation where we will have a Great(er) Depression than the first ?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2009/02/bailout-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-38167</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, thanks everyone for the kind words about the article.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Interesting comment, Carsten. Regarding GDP, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=138&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Robert Higgs&lt;/a&gt; has done some important work refuting the idea that WW2 lead to economic recovery, he argues that measures such as GDP become almost meaningless in a planned economy with rationing and price controls..&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For a book length treatment of this stuff I would recommend Meltdown by Thomas Woods, it will give you a wider and deeper treatment of what this article covers (and with funnier jokes). Haven&#039;t read it yet but by all accounts it&#039;s excellent.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks everyone for the kind words about the article.</p>

<p>Interesting comment, Carsten. Regarding GDP, <a href="http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=138" rel="nofollow">Robert Higgs</a> has done some important work refuting the idea that WW2 lead to economic recovery, he argues that measures such as GDP become almost meaningless in a planned economy with rationing and price controls..</p>

<p>For a book length treatment of this stuff I would recommend Meltdown by Thomas Woods, it will give you a wider and deeper treatment of what this article covers (and with funnier jokes). Haven&#8217;t read it yet but by all accounts it&#8217;s excellent.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kevin Craig</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2009/02/bailout-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-38166</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Meltdown: A Free-Market Look at Why the Stock Market Collapsed, the Economy Tanked, and Government Bailouts Will Make Things Worse, by Thomas E. Woods Jr.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meltdown: A Free-Market Look at Why the Stock Market Collapsed, the Economy Tanked, and Government Bailouts Will Make Things Worse, by Thomas E. Woods Jr.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wonderfully researched!! I have no idea how people to this day consider ANYTHING that FDR or Hoover to have done, remarkable, as presidents in any manner whatsoever. They ushered us into Socialism, and Barack will bring us to the brink of Totalitarianism. We need more of insight like yours. Thank you for the fresh appeal to everyone to learn Austrian Economics. I know it has opened up a world to me I never thought possible.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderfully researched!! I have no idea how people to this day consider ANYTHING that FDR or Hoover to have done, remarkable, as presidents in any manner whatsoever. They ushered us into Socialism, and Barack will bring us to the brink of Totalitarianism. We need more of insight like yours. Thank you for the fresh appeal to everyone to learn Austrian Economics. I know it has opened up a world to me I never thought possible.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ROBERT WILKINSON</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2009/02/bailout-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-38164</link>
		<dc:creator>ROBERT WILKINSON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bravo! At last someone has the right idea.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Marcel</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2009/02/bailout-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-38163</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent column.  The Austrians have been correct every time,  the more government does to &quot;fix&quot; things the more they get worse.  Giving the government more discretionary power over the economy has had the &lt;em&gt;opposite&lt;/em&gt; intended effect for decades!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When will people realize that everything that is being done right now is meant to preserve the power and wealth and privilege of a few?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent column.  The Austrians have been correct every time,  the more government does to &#8220;fix&#8221; things the more they get worse.  Giving the government more discretionary power over the economy has had the <em>opposite</em> intended effect for decades!</p>

<p>When will people realize that everything that is being done right now is meant to preserve the power and wealth and privilege of a few?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Carsten</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2009/02/bailout-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-38162</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A well written article to help set out the business-cycle underpinnings in concise language.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For other readers looking to gain more insight, I especially recommend reading Antal Fekete&#039;s articles. He expands on some of this by pointing to the dangers not of a LOW interest rate regime so much leading to mal-investment (true enough), but to the corrosive/erosive effect on capital due to a FALLING interest rate regime.  The latter is what we have had for 30+(40+) years, even despite the brief Volcker blip-up.  Easily seen in long term bond price-charts.
Fekete&#039;s approach is more post-Mengerian than Misesian.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In addition, one thing that Austrian theory followers implicitly acknowlege, but seldom state outright, is that the whole mainstream notion of recession, depression, growth, etc, all based on dubious metrics such as GDP, etc is questionable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For example, mainstream approach defines the post 1929 era as a depression, and the post 1980 era as growth, based upon GDP, production metrics.  Yet, using quality of life metrics, such as consumption figures of superior goods, or charitable giving, it is the other way around.
In the thirties, American charitable giving reached the highest it has ever been, meat consumption per capita increased, as did butter usage, and inferiors such as margarine declined.  These are not signs of growing poverty, but increasing wealth, hence no depression (why? because of a deliberate and good Rep. policy to help savers, by constricting the WWI inflated money-supply back to prewar levels).  Prices declined, purposefully, and usefully, hence FDR&#039;s attempts to prop them up, by plowind and butchering.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While the bansters were much worse off in the thirties, and malinvestment produced rising unemployment (failure of wages to adjust to increasing value of the currency), the average American was not.
Since the 80&#039;s this is in reverse, the banksters are much better off, but wages have failed to adjust up to declining currency (wages always lag), causing most to be worse off (&quot;the first generation doing worse than their parents...&quot;).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The mechanisms the Austrians define at root in both cases are correct, but the terms used to describe these periods, and, more important, our perceptions of these periods, is the reverse of what it should be.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well written article to help set out the business-cycle underpinnings in concise language.</p>

<p>For other readers looking to gain more insight, I especially recommend reading Antal Fekete&#8217;s articles. He expands on some of this by pointing to the dangers not of a LOW interest rate regime so much leading to mal-investment (true enough), but to the corrosive/erosive effect on capital due to a FALLING interest rate regime.  The latter is what we have had for 30+(40+) years, even despite the brief Volcker blip-up.  Easily seen in long term bond price-charts.
Fekete&#8217;s approach is more post-Mengerian than Misesian.</p>

<p>In addition, one thing that Austrian theory followers implicitly acknowlege, but seldom state outright, is that the whole mainstream notion of recession, depression, growth, etc, all based on dubious metrics such as GDP, etc is questionable.</p>

<p>For example, mainstream approach defines the post 1929 era as a depression, and the post 1980 era as growth, based upon GDP, production metrics.  Yet, using quality of life metrics, such as consumption figures of superior goods, or charitable giving, it is the other way around.
In the thirties, American charitable giving reached the highest it has ever been, meat consumption per capita increased, as did butter usage, and inferiors such as margarine declined.  These are not signs of growing poverty, but increasing wealth, hence no depression (why? because of a deliberate and good Rep. policy to help savers, by constricting the WWI inflated money-supply back to prewar levels).  Prices declined, purposefully, and usefully, hence FDR&#8217;s attempts to prop them up, by plowind and butchering.</p>

<p>While the bansters were much worse off in the thirties, and malinvestment produced rising unemployment (failure of wages to adjust to increasing value of the currency), the average American was not.
Since the 80&#8217;s this is in reverse, the banksters are much better off, but wages have failed to adjust up to declining currency (wages always lag), causing most to be worse off (&#8221;the first generation doing worse than their parents&#8230;&#8221;).</p>

<p>The mechanisms the Austrians define at root in both cases are correct, but the terms used to describe these periods, and, more important, our perceptions of these periods, is the reverse of what it should be.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bo Fredricsson</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2009/02/bailout-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-38161</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo Fredricsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;An excellent description of where we have been and where we are stuck now.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent description of where we have been and where we are stuck now.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: C Longgrear</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2009/02/bailout-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-38160</link>
		<dc:creator>C Longgrear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve recently started reading Amity Shlaes&#039; &quot;The Forgotten Man&quot;.  An interesting passage describes how a speech writer for Roosevelt, recalling a phrase he&#039;d read, The Forgotten Man, completely twists the true meaning of Sumner&#039;s Forgotten man.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Roosevelt&#039;s &quot;forgotten men&quot; were the disadvantaged and the poor who needed our help rather than those who worked and produced, thus shouldering the burden of relieving their fellow man from &quot;nature&#039;s fierce discipline&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The more Austrian &quot;theory&quot; (I believe long since proven fact) I read the more amazed I am at the insight and near prophetic abilities of the Austrian economists.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Excellent article!  I will be passing it along to all my friends!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently started reading Amity Shlaes&#8217; &#8220;The Forgotten Man&#8221;.  An interesting passage describes how a speech writer for Roosevelt, recalling a phrase he&#8217;d read, The Forgotten Man, completely twists the true meaning of Sumner&#8217;s Forgotten man.</p>

<p>Roosevelt&#8217;s &#8220;forgotten men&#8221; were the disadvantaged and the poor who needed our help rather than those who worked and produced, thus shouldering the burden of relieving their fellow man from &#8220;nature&#8217;s fierce discipline&#8221;.</p>

<p>The more Austrian &#8220;theory&#8221; (I believe long since proven fact) I read the more amazed I am at the insight and near prophetic abilities of the Austrian economists.</p>

<p>Excellent article!  I will be passing it along to all my friends!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dr. Michael Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Michael Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absolutely brilliant. I am linking this everywhere I go.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely brilliant. I am linking this everywhere I go.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Clarke Pauly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarke Pauly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mark
what a great article, thank you for taking the time to write that. Your final point was spot on, how do we get the republicans to pay attention to Austrian economics. If we can&#039;t find a way I am afraid the future looks pretty bleak!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark
what a great article, thank you for taking the time to write that. Your final point was spot on, how do we get the republicans to pay attention to Austrian economics. If we can&#8217;t find a way I am afraid the future looks pretty bleak!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Matt H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One of the finest overviews I have read of our crisis and the appropriate economic / historic context in which to understand it. Congratulations, sir!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the finest overviews I have read of our crisis and the appropriate economic / historic context in which to understand it. Congratulations, sir!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Karmaisking</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2009/02/bailout-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-38154</link>
		<dc:creator>Karmaisking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Clean, well-expressed.  This deserves a wider audience.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clean, well-expressed.  This deserves a wider audience.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jim ODonnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim ODonnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You should search on You Tube for [Bail Out Blues by George Roberston] goes great with this article.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I posted both to Kitco Forum which has thousands of members.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should search on You Tube for [Bail Out Blues by George Roberston] goes great with this article.</p>

<p>I posted both to Kitco Forum which has thousands of members.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: okl</title>
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		<dc:creator>okl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great stuff!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does anyone else think that it is useless to tell the politicians to do nothing? Its impossible cos they are hardwired to do so...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I just wish there was a influential politician who masquerades as a Keynesian, but in actual fact is an Austrian by nature.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This way, he/she could slowly turn the politicians&#039; minds towards a smaller government.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe it already is in progress? Doesn&#039;t look like the plan is working though... sigh.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff!</p>

<p>Does anyone else think that it is useless to tell the politicians to do nothing? Its impossible cos they are hardwired to do so&#8230;</p>

<p>I just wish there was a influential politician who masquerades as a Keynesian, but in actual fact is an Austrian by nature.</p>

<p>This way, he/she could slowly turn the politicians&#8217; minds towards a smaller government.</p>

<p>Maybe it already is in progress? Doesn&#8217;t look like the plan is working though&#8230; sigh.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: vlad</title>
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		<dc:creator>vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow Excellent article. Sheer brilliance! I wish this was on the front page of every newspaper in the country. More people need to be exposed to the Austrian school of rationality.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bravo!&lt;/p&gt;
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