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	<title>Conventional Folly</title>
	
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		<title>Water on Mars</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/water-on-mars/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Kennelly</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Freakdom &amp; Geekdom]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[This sounds like pretty big news: &#8220;NASA scientists have discovered enormous underground reservoirs of frozen water on Mars, away from its polar caps, in the latest sign that life might be sustainable on the Red planet.&#8221;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like pretty <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081120190638.m7e37xl7&amp;show_article=1">big news</a>: &#8220;NASA scientists have discovered enormous underground reservoirs of frozen water on Mars, away from its polar caps, in the latest sign that life might be sustainable on the Red planet.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>A Loss of Shared Teleology</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/a-loss-of-shared-teleology/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Kennelly</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Culture Clash]]></category>

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		<category><![CDATA[aladair macintyre]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[gay marriage]]></category>

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		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/?p=2294</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Rod Dreher, with a little help from Alasdair MacIntyre, pins the source of the impasse in the gay marriage debate: a loss of a shared teleology, hence much of the mutual outrage we&#8217;ve been seeing on this issue (and others, too): &#8220;We no longer possess a belief that marriage has a purpose beyond itself, that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.culture11.com/article/33673?from=feature">Rod Dreher</a>, with a little help from Alasdair MacIntyre, pins the source of the impasse in the gay marriage debate: a loss of a shared teleology, hence much of the mutual outrage we&#8217;ve been seeing on this issue (and others, too): &#8220;We no longer possess a belief that marriage has a purpose beyond itself, that it signifies something greater than the will of individuals wishing to be married. This is the result of a radically individualist culture that views ethical truths as little more than statements of preference. What we’ve lost is, to use a philosophical term, a <em>teleology</em> – that is, the belief that our actions are all geared toward a final goal, and must be judged by whether or not they lead toward, or away, from this goal. Absent a shared teleology, however general, our politics become even more fractious and combative, as rational argument – which democratic deliberation requires – becomes all but impossible.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Getting out of Gitmo</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/getting-out-of-gitmo/</link>
		<comments>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/getting-out-of-gitmo/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Donadio</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Law &amp; Lawyers]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[On War]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[Algerians]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[Carnegie]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[Chris Boucek]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[Guantanamo]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[A U.S. judge has ordered that five Algerians captured in Bosnia after the September 11th attacks be freed from Guantanamo. My colleague Chris Boucek does groundbreaking work on counterterrorism and detainee issues at Carnegie, and I drew on his expertise in my remarks at last night&#8217;s AFF roundtable.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/us/21guantanamo.html?hp" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/us/21guantanamo.html?hp" target="_blank">A U.S. judge has ordered that five Algerians captured in Bosnia after the September 11th attacks be freed from Guantanamo</a>. My colleague Chris Boucek does groundbreaking work on counterterrorism and detainee issues at Carnegie, and I drew on his expertise in my <a title="http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2008/11/the-death-of-neoconservatism/" href="http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2008/11/the-death-of-neoconservatism/" target="_blank">remarks</a> at last night&#8217;s AFF roundtable.</p>
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		<title>Hitler only had one</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/hitler-only-had-one/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Donadio</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[As the World Turns]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[Bild]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[Hitler only had one ball]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[So they say, anyway, at Bild.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2008/11/19/british-wartime-song-rumour-proved-right/hitler-really-did-only-have-one-ball.html" href="http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2008/11/19/british-wartime-song-rumour-proved-right/hitler-really-did-only-have-one-ball.html" target="_blank">So they say, anyway</a>, at Bild.</p>
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		<title>For the love of underpants</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/for-the-love-of-underpants/</link>
		<comments>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/for-the-love-of-underpants/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Kennelly</dc:creator>
		
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A video and song extolling the virtue of &#8220;Big Underpants&#8220;, aka China Central Television&#8217;s physics defying headquarters in downtown Beijing. (H/T to Kelani Chan for the link and translation.)
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<p>A video and song extolling the virtue of &#8220;<a href="http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/big-underpants/">Big Underpants</a>&#8220;, aka China Central Television&#8217;s physics defying headquarters in downtown Beijing. (H/T to Kelani Chan for the link and translation.)</p>
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		<title>Libertarian Thoughts on Prop 8</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/libertarian-thoughts-on-prop-8/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Kennelly</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Culture Clash]]></category>

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		<category><![CDATA[Virtues &amp; Vices]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[gay marriage]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Richard Epstein: &#8220;Today&#8217;s harsh skirmishing over Prop 8 starts from the common assumption that the state has the right to issue marriage licenses, so that the only question worth asking is whether it can discriminate between gay and straight couples. But to the libertarian, the antecedent inquiry is whether the state has any proper role [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/11/17/libertarian-marriage-gay-oped-cx_rae_1118epstein.html">Richard Epstein</a>: &#8220;Today&#8217;s harsh skirmishing over Prop 8 starts from the common assumption that the state has the right to issue marriage licenses, so that the only question worth asking is whether it can discriminate between gay and straight couples. But to the libertarian, the antecedent inquiry is whether the state has any proper role in issuing marriage licenses at all.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>When a flight attendant asks the passengers if they know how to fly a plane…</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/when-a-flight-attendant-asks-the-passengers-if-they-know-how-to-fly-a-plane/</link>
		<comments>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/when-a-flight-attendant-asks-the-passengers-if-they-know-how-to-fly-a-plane/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Donadio</dc:creator>
		
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		<category><![CDATA[Air Canada]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230;be someplace else.
In related news:

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;<a title="http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/11/19/pilot.breakdown.ap/index.html" href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/11/19/pilot.breakdown.ap/index.html" target="_blank">be someplace else</a>.</p>
<p>In related news:</p>
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		<title>Prego, cara!</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/prego-cara/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Donadio</dc:creator>
		
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		<category><![CDATA[home-made sex aid]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[This is the kind of story a reporter would die for:
A MAN caught near Nobbys Beach with his penis in a pasta sauce jar led police on a 20 kmh car chase, Newcastle Local Court heard yesterday.
Police drew their weapons when they suspected Keith Roy Weatherley, 46, was armed.
Instead, they found him partially clothed with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="http://www.theherald.com.au/news/local/news/general/man-caught-with-penis-in-pasta-jar/1363831.aspx" href="http://www.theherald.com.au/news/local/news/general/man-caught-with-penis-in-pasta-jar/1363831.aspx" target="_blank">This is the kind of story a reporter would die for</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>A MAN caught near Nobbys Beach with his penis in a pasta sauce jar led police on a 20 kmh car chase, Newcastle Local Court heard yesterday.</p>
<p>Police drew their weapons when they suspected Keith Roy Weatherley, 46, was armed.</p>
<p>Instead, they found him partially clothed with his genitals in a jar, a police statement said. . . .</p>
<p>Police believed Weatherley was doing something with his hands in his lap and thought that he might have a weapon. . . .</p>
<p>They found a 750-millilitre jar around his penis and noted that Weatherley attempted to continue &#8220;pleasuring himself in between bouts of wrestling&#8221;.</p>
<p>A search of his car uncovered pornography, a home-made sex aid, women&#8217;s stockings and a Jack Russell terrier.</p></blockquote>
<p>(Hat tip: JG)</p>
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		<title>The Problem with Evangelicals</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/the-problem-with-evangelicals/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Kennelly</dc:creator>
		
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		<category><![CDATA[On War]]></category>

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		<category><![CDATA[evangelicals]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Larison asks why Evangelicals are being blamed for the GOP&#8217;s failures. They have been the least influential segment of the party in recent years, despite being numerous and reliable (or perhaps because of it, no?). He suggests it was because:
they were too wedded to the Bush administration and its failed record, and they were too [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larison asks why Evangelicals are being blamed for the GOP&#8217;s failures. They have been the least influential segment of the party in recent years, despite being numerous and reliable (or perhaps <em>because</em> of it, no?). He <a href="http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/11/19/oogedy-boogedy-boo/">suggests</a> it was because:</p>
<blockquote><p>they were too wedded to the Bush administration and its failed record, and they were too dependent on reciting the trite slogans they heard on the radio and read in syndicated conservative columns.</p></blockquote>
<p>Andrew Sullivan <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/">asks</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>And why were they so trusting of Bush and unable to see his flaws, Daniel? You have to see the link between the fundamentalist psyche and the suspension of critical judgment in the Republican party for the past eight years. A non-born-again president would never have been allowed to get away with it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Larison is right that they&#8217;re reliable and not influential. That&#8217;s what happens to political groups who join coalitions for negative reasons rather than any positive support for their platform or ideology. They don&#8217;t vote for Republicans; they vote against Democrats. Republicans only attract the religoius conservative vote to the extent that Democrats are portrayed as—and, more important, to the extent that they actually <em>willingly play the part of</em>—the Boogeyman on the Left in the culture wars (e.g. the &#8220;Party of Death&#8221; who will sacrifice your First Amendment religious liberties on the altar of <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/11/how-samesex-marriage-harms-1st.html">enforced acceptance of gay marriage</a>). There&#8217;s a reason that white, married, Christian support for the Republicans began to surge in the late &#8217;60s and &#8217;70s, after all. That era saw the heating up, especially with Roe v. Wade, of the culture wars. (H/T Andrew for the study that <a href="http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/article.php?id=AIA2008050101">shows this</a>).</p>
<p>In other words, Evangelicals clung to Bush more out of fear that the other side wanted to make war with their most cherished beliefs. Obama got this, and so he and the Democratic Party put on a less threatening face to these voters, which was why they chipped away at Evangelical support for the GOP in November (aside from the fact that Evangelical support for Bush had been declining even before 2006; so much for &#8220;blindness&#8221;).</p>
<p>Part of what may be misdirecting Andrew&#8217;s ire in this case is that he&#8217;s overestimating Evangelical support for the specifically foreign policy elements of the Bush era. &#8220;Blame the Evangelicals&#8221; was a game many engaged in once the war began to turn sour, yet Evangelical support before the war (I remember it being at about <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/february/22.78.html">77 percent</a>) wasn&#8217;t all that much greater than <a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq2.htm">overall support</a> for the war. I remember this prediction James Kurth made <a href="http://the-american-interest.com/ai2/article.cfm?Id=33&amp;MId=2">all the way back in 2005</a> ($ubscription required for full article, sadly):</p>
<blockquote><p>The Evangelicals supported the Bush democratization project because it was a Bush project, and they were already committed to his policy (or more accurately his rhetoric) on cultural and social issues. Conversely, some human rights proponents supported the Bush democratization project because it was a democratization project. They opposed Bush on just about every other policy, especially those involving cultural and social issues. Indeed, the human rights proponents have despised the Evangelicals, and the result has been an unstable coalition of support for the Bush foreign policy.</p>
<p>For the most part, Evangelical Protestants have not considered American foreign policy to be one of their priority political issues. They were utterly indifferent to U.S. democratization efforts under the Clinton Administration. If democratization should come about in a foreign country, Evangelicals will be pleased, all the more so because it might open up the country to missionary activity. (In this respect, China now appears to be an especially promising field for evangelization.) But Evangelicals think that such openings will come about through God’s work and not through their own political actions. Certainly, Evangelical Protestants who take their Bible seriously know that Jesus Christ is the light of the world and that to see America as this light is a form of idolatry and heresy.</p>
<p>Still, as the foreign policy of the Bush Administration draws closer to a debacle, someone will have to take the blame. This will particularly be the case in the election campaigns of 2006 and 2008. Democrats and liberals will attack Republicans and conservatives. The latter two groups, in turn, will have a strong incentive to distance themselves from the Bush presidency and from the Evangelical Protestants, “the religious Right” who so strongly and so carelessly supported Bush when he led America into a reckless adventure in the Middle East. Democrats and Republicans, liberals and secular conservatives will agree that the Evangelicals are to blame. The real architects of the Bush foreign policy will go on to other things and will be forgotten, if not forgiven, because they do not threaten Democrats and liberals on the cultural and social issues that mean so much to them. The Evangelicals do threaten the liberals on domestic issues, however, and the opportunity to marginalize them by blaming them for a foreign policy debacle will be irresistible.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which is kinda what&#8217;s going on in this case, no? So there&#8217;s really no need to engage in any psychoanalytic talk about some sort of &#8220;fundamentalist psyche.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for the GOP&#8217;s Evangelical problem, which Larison and Sullivan (quoting another poster) call the &#8220;oogedy boogedy&#8221; problem, I submit to you that it&#8217;s just that: a pre-rational, &#8220;ick factor&#8221; distaste of Bible thumpers by Republican faux-elitists. Republicans can indulge in that &#8220;ick factor&#8221; animus only at the peril of becoming the permanent minority party.</p>
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		<title>$17 million vs. $89 billion</title>
		<link>http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/17-million-vs-89-billion/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sonny Bunch</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt Yglesias thinks that conservative opponents of the Big 3 Bailout are more worried about the liability of pensions on the car companies than executive pay. And he&#8217;s probably right. Because the pension costs of GM and the rest are crushing those companies. Let&#8217;s look at GM.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/11/private_jets.php">Matt Yglesias thinks</a> that conservative opponents of the Big 3 Bailout are more worried about the liability of pensions on the car companies than executive pay. And he&#8217;s probably right. Because the pension costs of GM and the rest are crushing those companies. Let&#8217;s look at GM.</p>
<p>GM has a CEO who, in 2007, made <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN2534738420080425">$15.7 million</a>. <a href="http://americasfuture.org/conventionalfolly/2008/11/concessions/">I noted</a> previously that GM&#8217;s pension liability in 2004 was $89 <em>billion</em>, and that the health benefits for those same retirees was $64 <em>billion</em>. When broken down by year, these numbers add up to a <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_19/b3932001_mz001.htm">$1,600 legacy cost per car</a>. What is the cost of the CEO&#8217;s salary, per car? Well, they expect to sell <a href="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-gm8-2008nov08,0,2808667.story">11.7 million cars</a> in 2009, which would put the CEO liability at right around $1.50 per car. So yeah, I&#8217;d say the cumulative effect of those legacy costs is a bigger deal than the (ridiculously overpaid) CEO.</p>
<p>Leaving all that aside, though, I defy Matt to provide one example of a bailout opponent who says that the Big 3&#8217;s management deserves to keep their jobs. For example, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?hp">here&#8217;s Mitt Romney</a> calling for a restructuring in which legacy costs are pared down and management gets the boot. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a single serious person who says &#8220;Yeah, get rid of the pensions for those middle class shlubs, but give the executives raises!&#8221; That&#8217;s asinine. Nobody thinks that. But simple math states that the pension costs are a far, far bigger problem for GM and the rest than what one idiot CEO makes.</p>
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